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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:19:00 -
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SO there's a great debate on EVE Radio...advertised (sanctioned therefore) by CCP. Who's debating? The whole slate of candidates? OF COURSE NOT. It's Mittani and Riverini. I couldn't think of a more boring way to spend time, but the greater point is - what about the other candidates? If some sort of fairness doctrine isn't being followed by EVE Radio, why would CCP endorse the event by advertising it as Headline News?
And, now the election is certified as a joke. If I were one of the other candidates, I'd have more than just a little to say about this. Leave it to CCP to make their farce farcical.
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Riverini is a CCP stooge? No. Just a stooge. Curly, I think.
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:31:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:OP does realize EVE radio is not owned or operated by CCP, correct?
Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate"
Ladie Harlot wrote:Vyl Vit...still jealous of Mittens.
And I thought I had my only good laugh for the day. Thanks.
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:34:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Which is why CCP shouldn't be using EVE Gate to advertise the "debate" Why not? They advertise plenty of player-run ventures GÇö it could even be argued that the whole point of EVE Gate is to do just that: connect the players and their activities with each other.
Because it favors only TWO candidates...EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising.
Is being fair that difficult to understand? Oh yes. This is EVE.
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Because it favors only TWO candidates... GǪthis time. Do you have the schedule for who else they're going to square off? Do you have the list of who else they've asked, who has accepted, who has declined? Do you have the communication going on between the community team and EVE Radio where ER detail what they're going to do? Your conspiracy doesn't really work if all you have to support your theory is a single data point. Quote:EVE Radio should handle it's own advertising. Seems like they are, by sending it off to the best advertiser of them all: CCP. Much like how others have done in the past. It's what the community pages are for. Quote:Is being fair that difficult to understand? Not really. The problem is your reasoning for why it's unfair (or rather, the lack thereof).
Oh please. It's run as a news story. It's not run as an ad. "Headline News". If it's covered as news it's written about after the fact, and journalistic objectivity would SAY the other candidates weren't invited, AND would be interviewed to get their reactions. I wish this were a difficult problem about integrity, but it just isn't. And, it's not a conspiracy, and was never inferred to BE a conspiracy. It is undersight, or oversight, or just plain insensitivity to what's going on, or how things function.
One day you'll have to explain to me what a "single data point" means with regard to journalism, publishing, advertising and a politcial campaign during an election.
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 00:55:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:CCP could save us all from a lot of drama if they would just cancel this sham of an election and let Chairman For Life Mittani select the other members of the CSM. You make a good automaton. I bet you carry a Mitt lunchbox to school.
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote: yadda yadda yadda yadda
Yeah. Right.
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:37:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Serene Repose wrote:It's so not like you to accuse someone of whining when they clearly aren't. He's whinging about how CCP favours two candidates over all others, when there is quite literally nothing to suggest that they do. They are publishing a snippet about a player event connected to the very current process of the CSM election. Is this favouritism? No, because other, similar items have been published in the past, and it is kind of the whole point with that particular news feed. This event features two candidates GÇö are they favoured? We don't know, because we don't know if any other such debates are coming; we do not know if others were approached for this broadcast; if they were, we don't know what they answered; we have no context for this one broadcast. I accuse him of whinging because the problem he sees is one that is entirely created in his own mind. Quote:I find it hard to believe anyone would disagree with this OP. I disagree with him for the same reason I almost always disagree with people: because his complaint has pretty much zero foundation, but rather rests on a chain on assumptions that, each and one on their own, are rather tin-foil:y and improbable. CCP is raising awareness of the CSM election as an attempt to stave of the inevitable complaint that no-one knows about/cares about/engages in the CSM. Why on earth is the OP so upset about this?
Pointing something out isn't whining, however 733T you are in your speak.
Oh, I get it. Paint someone with the "whining brush" and they don't have to be taken seriously. Now. Where have I seen this before?
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 01:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:Pointing something out isn't whining, however 733T you are in your speak. The problem is, you're not pointing anything out GÇö you're making far-reaching assertions derived from near-paranoid assumptions about the meaning of a completely ordinary event. Pointing something out would be to say that the event CCP highlights has a risk of being one-sided. You're not doing that GÇö you're essentially accusing CCP and EVE Radio of being partisan without anything to really back it up. Quote:Oh, I get it. Paint someone with the "whining brush" and they don't have to be taken seriously. Wrong way around: the reason I paint you with the whinging brush is because your chain of reasoning cannot be taken seriously.
If you say so? Whatever. Tell you what, Tippia. Don't take it seriously. I'll bet there's a dozen posts on the index page to which you can lend your intellectual powers. Enjoy.
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:02:00 -
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QGazQ wrote:Just a quick reply,
Funkybacon managed to organise a discussion for his show featuring Mittani and Riverini, told MrBlades about it and he decided it was something worth promoting and asked CCP if they could give it some press.
Key point being we (EVE Radio) approached CCP about publicising it and if we hadnt they wouldnt have posted a news item about it because they wouldnt have known.
We had a show, we figured it would be of interest to people, we asked ccp if they would mention it like they do with other events going on.
If any other candidates want to have a go, get in touch with us and we'll see about giving them a voice.
And a last comment:
<&MrBlades> Oh and we think goons are terrible people
Regards
QGazQ
Granted. More power to you. Since this is an election sanctioned (devised) by CCP for player representation to influence the development of the game, CCP has a responsibility to conduct itself differently than say you would. You're free to do whatever. CCP can't be seen as preferring or giving the impression of endorsing any of the candidates. That's part of the deal they themselves invented.
Therefore, if they were to give you press, it would be AFTER the event in the form of a standard news story, AND they'd further have to contact the candidates who weren't present to get their views about a.) not being invited and b.) the validity of what the candidates who WERE invited had to say.
I don't know how I can make this more plain. Were this sort of thing to happen in a credible journalism venue, heads would roll and people would be fired...on CCP's side, not yours.
You have the right to involve yourself in all this however you wish, but you also must consider (or not) your credibility and integrity are involved as well. These may not mean anything to you. That's your right.
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 02:33:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Tippia wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:CCP can't be seen as preferring or giving the impression of endorsing any of the candidates. That's part of the deal they themselves invented. Good thing they're not doing that, then. Quote:Therefore, if they were to give you press, it would be AFTER the event in the form of a standard news story, AND they'd further have to contact the candidates who weren't present to get their views about a.) not being invited and b.) the validity of what the candidates who WERE invited had to say. Why is any of that CCP's obligation? They're not journalists and they're not giving anyone GÇ£pressGÇ¥ GÇö they're (again) simply raising awareness of player events related to the CSM election, hopefully raising awareness of the election itself in the process. You'd have a point of other venues were trying to provide those other voices and were being denied the same kind of awareness, but what do you have that suggest that anything of the sort is going on? I'm sorry, but you seem to have missed the point of the OP entirely. Your first mistake was to assume he's complaining, or whining as you say. Your second mistake was to apply EVE reasoning to this more philosophical and nuanced point. All of your questions bespeak of someone who has scant understanding of the mechanisms of a free, democratic society. To answer the "issues" you raise, is to repeat the curriculum of a high school civics class. Oh yeah. They don't teach civics anymore. More's the pity. I don't see how the OP is obliged to field your foray into the tangental.
Thank-you very much, and that's something I refuse to do.
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.03 19:23:00 -
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For the information of everyone who's participated in this discussion, I've "liked" all the posts in this thread. So you know there's nothing "above board" or "under the table" - I "liked" them because I'm glad to see such strongly-held and well-considered views on a topic that has (especially in the US this year) a certain significance with undeniable repercussions to us all; elections, campaigns, media involvement in same and the audience (or voters).
I hear a lot said about dysfunctional democracy. Though it's easy to see why that is, it's not so easy to see what exactly is the dysfunction? Since EVE is our sandbox where real life plays itself out virtually, and we ARE dabbling with all of these elements of society and culture, I felt this is a good place to get an airing of views which do actually play themselves out in real life.
Anyway. I like it, so I "liked" you all! Thanks for your sincere input and wide-ranging views. It was more than a little interesting to read. As the elections are still in the offing, I suspect other such issues may arise...so beware of strangers bearing gifts.
We have met the enemy, and he is us. -Pogo-
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Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2012.03.04 04:02:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:**** you op go away you turd
Ah...right.
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